OK, someone brought in live ammo and placed it into the gun. Therefore a crime was committed, because there was intent and opportunity. Now who is to blame is the question and why, revenge????During Baldwin's interview he mentioned and showed how he was holding the gun and moving it in different positions for the right shot. He did not point the gun at the victim directly, but in her direction. What he did show and state is that he had cocked the hammer which automatically causes the release of the trigger mechanism which automatically caused him to pull the trigger back so that he did not have to pull the trigger and by releasing the partially cocked hammer it fell forward as soon as Baldwin released the pressure on the hammer. At that point the gun fired, but he did not seem to mention the explosion nor dwell on what he witnessed, that is the explosion, the heat from the discharge, how the bullet entered the victim, did he drop the weapon or what??? He did shoot and kill the victim accidentally and I believe that he should pay the price either criminally or financially. Great job Emily.
His arrogance is so apparent - he doesn't even have an attorney present during questioning and just starts initialing without even reading what they have put in front of him. The two phone calls are disturbing because he shows no concern for the woman he just SHOT and has no idea her status. The fact that he isn't even inquiring about her status shows the depth of his shallowness. Had I just failed gun safety 101, as a person of conscience, I'd be devastated and a hot mess. He is the opposite of that. Great reporting Emily, keep it up!
An important thing the interview shows it that AB seems to believe he should not check the revolver because it is not his duty and it would hurt the feelings of HGR, the armorer, if he requested a double check of the revolver and what was in it. A casual unobtrusive visual inspection would have seen that it had some kind of rounds in it and not empty. But states multiple times he believed it to be empty. Though later because it fired concedes that there must have been some type of round in it. Stating believing the revolver is empty AB is admitting he didn't even check. He just trusted that was what was meant when someone states he is being given a cold gun. 1st rule of gun safety is always assume your firearm is loaded with something. So check it.
Simple visual checks - Turn revolver sideways and look at the top of the cylinder. If you see brass lip of casing then it is loaded with something. A less safe but still viable check is to look at the bottom of the cylinder and if you see lead head then it is not empty. A 3rd check is opening the loading gate. This Pietta 1873 45 cal doesn't have a cylinder that swings out to check that like many modern revolvers. It has a loading gate which can be opened to put rounds in or remove them one at a time. AB would not have to handle the rounds at all, this is simple visual inspection which I am sure he was told at some time in his westerns but likely refused to do unless forced to. 4th way to verify inert 6 rounds would be to 'dryfire' the gun into the ground or safe direction 6 times. Alec stated in the interview that HGR suggested to him this as a safety check but it is an unsafe method IMO. This is really a refusal to follow gun safety basics when handed a firearm.
IMO, this neglect does meet the burden for bringing a charge of involuntary manslaughter and getting a conviction.
BUT until FBI forensics are done and rule out AB being framed or AB himself putting in the live round then charges should be withheld (he had opportunity but motive is unknown). LEOs have had some weird conspiracies to commit murder and framing people in their investigations over the years.
Alec talks way entirely too much for his own good.
He struck me as someone who is setting the stage for a story, like a narrator. Alec was talking fast, I don’t know if that’s normal for him or if that’s a sign of hiding nervousness?
The other impression I got was he’s acting or he’s incredibly shallow, until the end, I didn’t detect any shock or sense of being stunned by the realization he shot two people.
I was watching while trying to recall cues I learned from the ‘Behavior Panel’ (I still enjoy that channel, thanks for turning me on to it, Emily).
Last, a note of thanks. The amount of information you parse though to provide us with a succinct but comprehensive journal of events requires an amount of work, I can’t comprehend! The knowledge that you alone (not a newsroom) produces high quality journalism is so impressive. Thank You.
I’m looking forward to taking a peek at the interview. And yes you nailed it, I would have definitely put female detectives in there to conduct the interview. I don’t know if it was planned that way or if they were just partners. Thanks for all of the work you’re doing ! It’s massive.
Watched it all, several lies, and a different tale from later interviews etc, no recoil, he shot a live 45 caliber round, even with a light load he would know and definitely felt recoil, said repeatedly gun just went off. He said he got the gun from the armored, they asked him repeatedly that question, my take they k ew a different story. At the end no sign of responsibility for his action that shot this lady.
I love trying to solve the puzzle putting the steps in a reasonable sequential order to determine the specific happenings of the shooting. Especially working with people who seem to be experts or near experts in their fields of work. Can't wait for the final results. Nice working with you Emily and the Boggled. Triker 5555
"His behavior is not what you’d expect if you just killed someone." Of course, he doesn't know that until the very end, when his reaction looks to me very much like someone positively stunned to hear that news.
As for the rest of the interview, since different people react differently to stressful situations, making assumptions about expected behavior can be problematic.
I don't think that, just because Baldwin is an actor, one should conclude he's putting on a false performance for the detectives. It's one thing to view his interview with justifiable wariness, another to adopt a standard where everything he says and does is assumed to be phony.
Turning to the substance of the interview, as he repeatedly thinks aloud through all the ammunition possibilities, he strikes me as sincerely shaken by the incident and earnestly attempting to collaboratively sort out what happened.
Finally, since he knows what he did is on film and will be readily available to police and plaintiffs, I'm prone to believe he sincerely thought he didn't pull the trigger. I attribute that incorrect memory to him being careless with his trigger finger, and accidentally squeezing it as he manipulated the hammer. His carelessness was likely amplified by his confidence that he had a "cold" gun in his hand.
Post more of the stufd youve got. Unedited and un-hyped one way or the other by media and interested parties , ie attorneys, always much more elucidation.
Another interesting aspect of AB's training on set that you pointed out in new article that I find interesting. Alec described it as - 'I just shot both' - describing training with both weapons. It is not - I trained with both or HGR taught me about both firearms I might use or the like. Shooting both implies live rounds. Not a guarantee of this but implies it. IOW live rounds may have been part of training by HGR. Alec did mention about multiple levels of powder in blanks to simulate recoil in training though. So this is just a cautious observation of something AB said that should be clarified by investigators.
His training with HGR included shooting real firearms. And that was his strongest memory, the shooting aspect of training. And the use of the word 'just' seems to indicate all his training was was shooting the 2 firearms. Nothing more. Which is not good for HGR in some aspects also as a safety trainer. Did she ask him - 'Have you used revolver before? Have you used lever action rifle before?' - before training started? These should have been her first questions before handing each of the firearms to him. It just seems strange to be that vague about training. Didn't discuss loading and firing each in statement. 'I just shot both'. Hmmm, Did she 'just' hand him loaded firearms, he may have never handled before, and said aim at targets?
oops, forgot to mention that he had his thumb on the cocked hammer so when he released the hammer it fell forward thus discharging the live round without pulling the trigger...
OK, someone brought in live ammo and placed it into the gun. Therefore a crime was committed, because there was intent and opportunity. Now who is to blame is the question and why, revenge????During Baldwin's interview he mentioned and showed how he was holding the gun and moving it in different positions for the right shot. He did not point the gun at the victim directly, but in her direction. What he did show and state is that he had cocked the hammer which automatically causes the release of the trigger mechanism which automatically caused him to pull the trigger back so that he did not have to pull the trigger and by releasing the partially cocked hammer it fell forward as soon as Baldwin released the pressure on the hammer. At that point the gun fired, but he did not seem to mention the explosion nor dwell on what he witnessed, that is the explosion, the heat from the discharge, how the bullet entered the victim, did he drop the weapon or what??? He did shoot and kill the victim accidentally and I believe that he should pay the price either criminally or financially. Great job Emily.
Hope they checked his hand for gun powder residue
His arrogance is so apparent - he doesn't even have an attorney present during questioning and just starts initialing without even reading what they have put in front of him. The two phone calls are disturbing because he shows no concern for the woman he just SHOT and has no idea her status. The fact that he isn't even inquiring about her status shows the depth of his shallowness. Had I just failed gun safety 101, as a person of conscience, I'd be devastated and a hot mess. He is the opposite of that. Great reporting Emily, keep it up!
An important thing the interview shows it that AB seems to believe he should not check the revolver because it is not his duty and it would hurt the feelings of HGR, the armorer, if he requested a double check of the revolver and what was in it. A casual unobtrusive visual inspection would have seen that it had some kind of rounds in it and not empty. But states multiple times he believed it to be empty. Though later because it fired concedes that there must have been some type of round in it. Stating believing the revolver is empty AB is admitting he didn't even check. He just trusted that was what was meant when someone states he is being given a cold gun. 1st rule of gun safety is always assume your firearm is loaded with something. So check it.
Simple visual checks - Turn revolver sideways and look at the top of the cylinder. If you see brass lip of casing then it is loaded with something. A less safe but still viable check is to look at the bottom of the cylinder and if you see lead head then it is not empty. A 3rd check is opening the loading gate. This Pietta 1873 45 cal doesn't have a cylinder that swings out to check that like many modern revolvers. It has a loading gate which can be opened to put rounds in or remove them one at a time. AB would not have to handle the rounds at all, this is simple visual inspection which I am sure he was told at some time in his westerns but likely refused to do unless forced to. 4th way to verify inert 6 rounds would be to 'dryfire' the gun into the ground or safe direction 6 times. Alec stated in the interview that HGR suggested to him this as a safety check but it is an unsafe method IMO. This is really a refusal to follow gun safety basics when handed a firearm.
IMO, this neglect does meet the burden for bringing a charge of involuntary manslaughter and getting a conviction.
BUT until FBI forensics are done and rule out AB being framed or AB himself putting in the live round then charges should be withheld (he had opportunity but motive is unknown). LEOs have had some weird conspiracies to commit murder and framing people in their investigations over the years.
Yes the others would be good to see
Alec talks way entirely too much for his own good.
He struck me as someone who is setting the stage for a story, like a narrator. Alec was talking fast, I don’t know if that’s normal for him or if that’s a sign of hiding nervousness?
The other impression I got was he’s acting or he’s incredibly shallow, until the end, I didn’t detect any shock or sense of being stunned by the realization he shot two people.
I was watching while trying to recall cues I learned from the ‘Behavior Panel’ (I still enjoy that channel, thanks for turning me on to it, Emily).
Last, a note of thanks. The amount of information you parse though to provide us with a succinct but comprehensive journal of events requires an amount of work, I can’t comprehend! The knowledge that you alone (not a newsroom) produces high quality journalism is so impressive. Thank You.
I’m looking forward to taking a peek at the interview. And yes you nailed it, I would have definitely put female detectives in there to conduct the interview. I don’t know if it was planned that way or if they were just partners. Thanks for all of the work you’re doing ! It’s massive.
Watched it all, several lies, and a different tale from later interviews etc, no recoil, he shot a live 45 caliber round, even with a light load he would know and definitely felt recoil, said repeatedly gun just went off. He said he got the gun from the armored, they asked him repeatedly that question, my take they k ew a different story. At the end no sign of responsibility for his action that shot this lady.
Really enjoying your work Emily. Keep up the great work!!
I love trying to solve the puzzle putting the steps in a reasonable sequential order to determine the specific happenings of the shooting. Especially working with people who seem to be experts or near experts in their fields of work. Can't wait for the final results. Nice working with you Emily and the Boggled. Triker 5555
"His behavior is not what you’d expect if you just killed someone." Of course, he doesn't know that until the very end, when his reaction looks to me very much like someone positively stunned to hear that news.
As for the rest of the interview, since different people react differently to stressful situations, making assumptions about expected behavior can be problematic.
I don't think that, just because Baldwin is an actor, one should conclude he's putting on a false performance for the detectives. It's one thing to view his interview with justifiable wariness, another to adopt a standard where everything he says and does is assumed to be phony.
Turning to the substance of the interview, as he repeatedly thinks aloud through all the ammunition possibilities, he strikes me as sincerely shaken by the incident and earnestly attempting to collaboratively sort out what happened.
Finally, since he knows what he did is on film and will be readily available to police and plaintiffs, I'm prone to believe he sincerely thought he didn't pull the trigger. I attribute that incorrect memory to him being careless with his trigger finger, and accidentally squeezing it as he manipulated the hammer. His carelessness was likely amplified by his confidence that he had a "cold" gun in his hand.
Post more of the stufd youve got. Unedited and un-hyped one way or the other by media and interested parties , ie attorneys, always much more elucidation.
Thanks, Emily!
Another interesting aspect of AB's training on set that you pointed out in new article that I find interesting. Alec described it as - 'I just shot both' - describing training with both weapons. It is not - I trained with both or HGR taught me about both firearms I might use or the like. Shooting both implies live rounds. Not a guarantee of this but implies it. IOW live rounds may have been part of training by HGR. Alec did mention about multiple levels of powder in blanks to simulate recoil in training though. So this is just a cautious observation of something AB said that should be clarified by investigators.
His training with HGR included shooting real firearms. And that was his strongest memory, the shooting aspect of training. And the use of the word 'just' seems to indicate all his training was was shooting the 2 firearms. Nothing more. Which is not good for HGR in some aspects also as a safety trainer. Did she ask him - 'Have you used revolver before? Have you used lever action rifle before?' - before training started? These should have been her first questions before handing each of the firearms to him. It just seems strange to be that vague about training. Didn't discuss loading and firing each in statement. 'I just shot both'. Hmmm, Did she 'just' hand him loaded firearms, he may have never handled before, and said aim at targets?
oops, forgot to mention that he had his thumb on the cocked hammer so when he released the hammer it fell forward thus discharging the live round without pulling the trigger...
Don't wish to watch this fool. I have a hard time watching other people who have certain behavioral problems act like confidence people...swindlers.